Answered - Most Frequently Asked Questions About CDJP
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The following are questions I have represented the CDJP answered, over the recently several years, to our members, our financiers, our supporters, academic students and researchers, reporters and foreign government officials, which also included human rights lawyers, U.S. government attorneys, immigration judges, etc. Most of the questions I have answered that regarded the CDJP leadership rather than individual members have never been put in writing in English. These questions I have answered in Chinese are in writing, available on our website, are mostly not representing what I said about the CDJP, but to direct the CDJP members concerns and actions, or what I thought the CDJP should be leading to, etc. 

In this page, I am going to put the questions and my answers down in writing, because I am aware of the rising concerns in the CDJP what I have illustrated the CDJP outside the organization. Any CDJP member disagrees to what I have said about the CDJP, it is free to post at the end of this page. If there is not going to see anybody to post follow-ups abusively, I am not, at this moment, concerning how to manage the follow-up posts.

I will not reveal who asked the questions and in which circumstances the questions were asked. I will simply put out these questions and give my answers in order to show how exactly I answered these questions. All the questions were actually occurred. I am not here dealing any of those assumed questions.

Please also note that some answers to different questions may overlap.

★ Some questions regarding the CDJP organization in general ★

Q. What the CDJP wants to achieve?

A. CDJP, founded in February 22nd, 1998, wanted to form an opposition political party in China. CDJP wanted to be a political party in a Chinese democratic political system. Since China Communist Party is still the sole political party controlling the government in China, without allowing a true democratic political system, e.g. a free election and fair political competition, the CDJP’s current efforts are directed to break the CCP’s opposition political party bar.

Q. Is the CDJP really an established Chinese opposition political party? 

A. No. Although CDJP declared its establishment on the date of February 22nd, 1998, in China, to foreign press reporters and U.S. diplomats, by the true meaning of an opposition political party in China, CDJP is still under the preparation stage, even after more than 7 years of the declaration.

 

Q. Is the CDJP organization in the United States an established Chinese opposition political party?

 

A. No. First of all, CDJP is not a political party in the United States. CDJP is not seeking to become a political party in the United States politics. Second, since CDJP is seeking to become a legal political party in China, under the current CCP regime in China, it is banned absolutely in China, CDJP organization in the United States has been established to serve the preparation purpose for establishing itself inside China. You may consider the CDJP organization in the United States as a service branch to the CDJP inside China. You may not consider the CDJP as a political party in the United States. You may neither consider the CDJP as a formally established political party exiled from China to the United States. So the best description directed to this question is, CDJP is still under the preparation stage to establish an opposition political party and to get it legalized in China, while its overseas organization is to help to realize such a purpose.

★ Does a CDJP member pay membership fees? ★

No. CDJP members do not pay membership fees. But when there is going to be expenses in group activities, and nobody volunteer to pickup the costs, members who participate will share the expenses. Such activities may include group discussions in restaurants, rented meeting places, distant trips, etc.

 

From about mid 2001 to the end of 2003, a certain CDP leader  collected,  attempted to collect membership fees from many CDJP members. This person also worked for Met Life Insurance Company sold and attempted to sell life insurance policies to many CDJP members. The same person also attempted in 2003 to provide training classes and to offer meaningless CDP high positions to the CDJP members for a certain amount of fees, in his home in Connecticut near Foxwood Casino Hotel Resorts. That he attempted to do so and successfully did so in a number of instances, was because at that period of time, CDJP members were all considered to have CDP membership also. The practice by the CDP leader was not supported, and usually without the CDJP headquarter's knowledge. Whatever the CDJP headquarters found such attempts, we tried to stop. Since January 2004, CDJP members have no longer hold CDP membership anymore. Such problems no long exist to the CDJP members.

★ How does CDJP Website operations cover the expenses? ★

I am not in the position to reveal all the secrets about how we cover our expenses. But I can tell you that the CDJP actually does not have large expenses. 

Let me give you three examples to explain what I am saying.

I am personally responsible for all the expenses for the websites, which only less than one thousand U.S. dollars a year. I said “I am personally responsible for the expenses” did not mean I pay for the expenses. Mr. Ding, an IT engineer lives in Northern California, originally was from Qinghua University of Beijing China, a CDJP member, whose U.S. green card immigration status was not obtained through applying for political asylum (I say this because there is always somebody thinks and says so), registered and paid for the cdjp.org domain name in 2000. He also donated one thousand U.S. dollars to cover that year’s and the next year’s website expenses. In 2001 and 2002, Mr. Dong, another IT engineer lives and works in the United States, originally was from Shanghai Jiaotong University, of Shanghai China, a CDJP member, who is a Canadian green card holder, donated twice five thousand U.S. dollars to help the CDJP website to pay for our regular expenses and to improve the related software. The donations like this are actually exceed what we need to run the website. I can safely say that the CDJP website operation is well financed. I have many more friends or members, most of them are IT engineers in the United States, Canada and Australia, have made their promise to donate in case the CDJP website need more money.

The second example is, that CDJP does not ask members to pay membership fees. This rule was fully put in practice by the end of 2001. Why? Does CDJP have too much money? Of course not. In CDJP, all overseas members are required to write for our website or to pick up useful articles from the Internet for our website to republish. CDJP does not pay for their works. So, please compare, how much CDJP can charge a member for his/her membership fees? Sixty U.S. dollars a year? One hundred twenty U.S. dollars a year? What if a member ignores or just to refuse (more likely than not this will happen through my 17 years experiences with the overseas democratic movement organizations)? We kick a member out for a “money problem”? If we do, the organization will be in a very awkward situation, so will the member be. 

But by requiring a member to write for our website, any member can do that, the editors are also volunteers, have a large pool of articles to select for publishing by each specific issues. How much you think we should pay if the website operation should pay to the writers as other Chinese website operations does? Our members averagely write 5 publishable articles each year, some of them write more than 50, some of them write only 6 but only a couple of them are worth to publish, but count as 5 articles, how much that will cost the CDJP website if we pay the writers? At least two hundred fifty dollars a year! Do your own math. Membership fees if paid to the CDJP are the money to give to somebody else to spend. But CDJP members are not likely 100% agree with each other. Then why a member should pay money to somebody else whose opinions or practice is not really he/she 100% agrees? Let him/her do his own work! It costs the CDJP less. It helps CDJP more. And it’s a member’s achievement and honor when his/her opinions get published! Such a member may tell his friends around him/her, even to his friends in China, by saying, “Hey, please go to cdjp.org website! There is my most recently article published!” 

It’s an honor. It’s an achievement. It’s a member’s proud. It’s spiritual lifting. 

It costs CDJP less. And it is helping the CDJP as an organization to spread our influence and to get more public attentions! 

The third example is, there are too many, not just plenty, IT engineers in the CDJP. Most of the time, our IT engineers find they don’t have enough volunteer work to do in the CDJP, they just go to the China BBS to “disturb the socialist stabilities”. CDJP Internet operations have enjoyed ZERO cost in technical matters from its creation in May 1998. We are able to enjoy zero cost in technical matters in running a website like the cdjp.org, while other Chinese dissidents’ organizations may need a budget of more than seventy thousand (I heard there is one that has a annual budget of two hundred thousand U.S. dollars. But I could not confirm the information.). 

What kind of a competition is this? 

Yes. It is an unfair competition as some other dissidents complained. But here is not a money problem involved, but organization’s roles and its direction matters. 

I believe as long as we are running our organization in the right direction, not to be dominated by any of the Taiwan political forces (Taiwan once offered four hundred dollars a month to help cdjp.org in 2002, with political strings attached), but keep on track to voice for the majority Mainlanders’ real stands and views (Simply keep our stand for the goodness of Mainland China and its people, and not try to dominate any of popular opinions, which in contradiction to the “democracy” we advocate), we don’t have to worry about to keep the zero cost for our Internet operation technical matters at all.

To conclude, as long as the CDJP is concentrating in reaching our goal for liberty and democracy in China by constructive means rather than destructive means, we will not lose our support, that we may able to keep our website operations expenses, very, very low.

★ How does CDJP individual project get financed? ★

In the CDJP, group leaders and project leaders are responsible to finance their own group activities or projects. In practice, either the group leader or project leader has the ability to contribute money from his or her pocket to finance the group activities or projects, or he or she is able to organize the financing by means of collect donations from members or nonmembers.  There is no centralized financial department in the CDJP organization.

 

For example, Dr. Wang Bingzhang was able to get his projects financed by his relatives and some retired old officials of Taiwan government. Mr. Jin Jingjie is able to pay for our office rentals because he has a 6000 square feet business down stairs. I am responsible for all the expenses in running the website, and of course, this is rely on all the technical persons are working as volunteers. All of them are CDJP members, definitely. 

 

It is also true in the CDJP that if someone comes with a good idea for a project, but no other person wishes to lead the project. This person must either go to lead that project or just to abandon it. If he/she wants to lead the project, he must be able to get his project financed. He may collect donations within the party, or he may collect donations outside the party. The headquarters will help that person to try to obtain the funds he/she may need, but the headquarters will not help financially. This way we are able to prevent pure “consuming” projects as well as ill intentioned “consuming” persons to play destructive roles in the CDJP. This way we are also able to recruit and retain quality members.

 

In the above example, the practice is also constantly criticized as “unfair”. Some “prominent” Chinese dissidents spent years in the CCP jail. They usually lack of financial and organizational management abilities. They always have “good ideas”. They are always looking some salaries for just being a “leader”. They usually cannot find a single satisfied position in the CDJP. When they do find financial support, the CDJP may not have room for the political strings attached from the financiers, thus they must leave CDJP.

 

But to consider the fairness, can a certain U.S. war hero, who claims he has a “good idea” in running the United States government, say, it is “unfair” that G. W. Bush was elected president of the United States but he was not, because of G. W. Bush got somebody to help him financially but he was unable to do so?

★ Pictorial Example on how CDJP Headquarters cuts the expenses? ★

1This is a cropped and slightly manipulated photo about a CDJP members training session. The speaker is Mr. Liu Shunhao, a prominent Korean-Chinese dissident in the United States, who has severed also as a war reporter to Iraq represented South Korea based newspaper World Journal. If you are told that the place is the CDJP Headquarters conference hall, you may have no doubt about it. 

In this cropped, but not manipulated photo, you see a small human body statue at the lower left side of the current speaker. There you see a more eye-catching human body poster hanging above. 2Although you are told that the main speaker (sits behind the desk) is the prominent human rights activist, pastor of Seoul Korean-Chinese Church, Rev. Soh, Kyung Suk, from South Korea, and you are still told that the place is the CDJP Headquarters conference hall, you may have a question demands an answer: What are the human body statue and poster doing there?

3You are right. In this original photo, you can see more and have more questions. There are massage beds and some people are actually sitting on the beds, not in the folding chairs! What is going on? Is this really CDJP conference hall?

The Fact: It is in the CDJP 6,000 sq. ft. temporary conference hall located at the basement to its office in Main Street, Flushing New York. The CDJP open office is just upstairs on the fifth floor. But it is also a business – a showroom place to distribute (also to retail) massaging equipments and health food. Unlimited self-massaging using a variety of the showroom equipments is free here. Such business concept is also representing the CDJP’s headquarters free help to its members. Certain CDJP members are co-owner of this business and the manager here is not anybody else, but Mr. Jin Jingjie (Photo: Jin Jingjie is introducing Rev. Soh, Kyung Suk to the CDJP members.), a member of the CDJP. 4During off-business hours, here is CDJP temporary conference hall. During business or off-business hours, the office meeting room is also used as the CDJP’s meeting room, in addition to the CDJP open office upstairs. 

How much does this cost the CDJP? NOTHING!

From time to time, CDJP headquarters office and meeting place has just been like this, were supported by computer school, local Chinese newspaper and business, for free or for little.

★ What is the true meaning of the CDJP membership overseas? ★

The CDJP (overseas) membership is used as an identity for the one who is working for the CDJP overseas. When CDJP says to recruit members, it actually means to recruit volunteer working forces. In CDJP, generally we do not recruit common members for the purpose to vote in local political affairs, or for the purpose to protest in order to influence foreign governments on China human rights and democracy issues, or to show in demonstrations simply to prove the organization’s existence. For the “common members” matter, there are exemptions. Please also read the answer to the question “Why dos not CDJP recruit common members”.

★ Why does not CDJP recruit common members? ★

This is not an accurate question.

 

First, I want to say that in CDJP, we believe a well established website, the cdjp.org website, serves better for the purpose to influence foreign governments on China human rights and democracy issues, and serves better for the purpose to pressure the China CCP government to change. I am the chief web master, from the visitor’s log file, I am able to see that many countries’ government institutions have people coming to visit our website, especially people from China government, from Taiwan government and from the government institutions of the United States. So we do not need common members simply for the sake to protest overseas to get the public attentions. We need able working members in related aspects to keep the website running and growing. We believe our website is not only getting the public attentions, but also are spreading our influences very well both overseas and into Mainland China.

 

After all, as I believe, as well as the majority members in the CDJP believe, an organization such like CDJP overseas organization, operating from outside Mainland China, is subject to get attentions – attentions from the general public both overseas and in Mainland China, which include getting attentions from the international community and from the people and government of Mainland China. We are also subject to spread our influences – influences to the general public both overseas and in Mainland China, which include to influence foreign country governments Human Rights and Democracy Promotion policies with China CCP government, to influence in the Chinese overseas dissidents community, and to influence people and government of Mainland China. A website is currently the only available efficient vehicle to serve 90% or more of the purpose. Common members overseas may not be able to help as what we need to do.

 

Second, CDJP does strictly limit the recruitment of the common members. But CDJP does not totally ban the recruitment of the common members. Some members, severely persecuted in China for their political activities, exiled to the United States, when they wanted to share the honor and the identity of the CDJP, but they actually unable (e.g. lacking of needed abilities, still struggling to survive financially for themselves and their family, in bad health conditions, etc.) to perform the functions the overseas CDJP organization wants them to perform, they may stay with the CDJP as common members.

 

I should also say, in general, CDJP wants to recruit only “elites” to work and to function efficiently. But in the situation of dealing with China special regional matters, minority ethnic groups matters, or sometimes a special individual matter, we may recruit members far from being categorized as “elites” by common sense, but they might still be regarded as “elites” in their special geographic region or minority ethnic group. Currently, we have only one special regional minority ethnic group to deal with. It is the CDJP Chinese Korean (or called Korean Chinese, Koreans of China Nationality, Korean Chinese in America), Chinese Koreans in America) branch.

 

There is an escalated bitter “field battle” going on between the CDJP and the China New York Consulate regarding organizing Chinese Koreans in the New York area in the United States. We must win this battle so we are able to gain experiences and morale to move on to the whole Chinese community organizations in the United States – to reclaim the political territory we once shortly held in the spring and summer of 1989. When time comes, we perhaps may need many common members we can imagine today. But I also believe “elites” may still pay essential and most important roles even in such kind of “field battle”. We may count “talents” as “weaponries” in such “field battle”, not the number of “foot soldiers”.

★ Did CDJP really lose members or CDP previously lied to CDJP? ★

A. CDJP does not have a centralized member registration center, although we are trying hard to do so. Before January 2004, as all CDJP members were also CDP members, there were a certain number in the CDP were also having CDJP membership. As reported to the CDJP by the CDP prior to September 2003, there were about 1200 out of the said 20,000 CDP members have accepted the CDJP membership. These numbers were reported to the CDJP and CDJP never actually had control of these members information.

 

After the clear split between CDJP and CDP in January 2004, CDJP tried to ask the said CDJP members in the CDP to choose CDJP as their only membership in overseas political groups. Less than 20 did so. There were less than 10 CDJP members went to CDP after the split.

 

Some previous persons identified as “member” in our cdjp.org website prior to January 2004, as the CDJP and CDP co-ran the cdjp.org website, could be only CDP members never accepted the CDJP membership. Such members were less than 20. Some prior members in both parties departed to third groups or kept distance with both parties due to the conflict. But such numbers are not significant. My safe estimation to that number is less than 10.

 

Currently we have no information about the other 1190 said CDJP members previously reported by the CDP. It is not likely that the CDP ever had 20,000 members. So it is also not likely that the CDP ever had 1200 members that accepted CDJP membership.

 

Did CDJP lose huge number of members? I must say not likely, unless the CDP can prove that it ever had 20,000 members overseas. That’s why CDJP has cut down its estimated numbers of members overseas from 2,000 to about 800 in June 2004. The number of our members is increasing, especially because our Korean-Chinese group is growing since July 2004.

 

I did not believe the figure previously CDP reported to the CDJP. And I am not anymore in the position to protect the CDP leaders. Now I can say that I believe if the CDP ever had such a huge number of members, Mr. Xie Wanjun will not likely to advertise heavily in the newspaper to offer “U.S. green card” to recruit new CDP members who seemingly can’t do much to help the organization except to show in demonstrations and to write copycat (changed a few words from articles published by Dajiyuan) articles to put on the Internet.

 

According to the Alexa Website ranking system runs by amazon.com, Xie Wanjun’s CDP does not have many visits. Xie’s CDP website ranks behind the newly formed CDPWU chaired by Xu Aochun, a former CDJP member. If Xie’s CDP has a large number of members like he says, its website should have been ranked ahead of the CDJP many times because I believe an organization members will always visit their own organization website. (As of April 5th, 2004, cdjp.org ranks at 50495, cdpwu.org ranks at 338,516, and Xie’s CDP website cdpweb.org ranks at 977,376).

 

I think I have had said enough about this issue.

 

Attachment:

 

This following photo shows Xie's CDP hangs a banner in the front of Flushing Public Library in November 2004. The banner says: Green Card Immigration Consultant. American Chiense Agency (Empire State Building No. 625) The persons shown have also appeared in a number of demonstrations oraganized by Xie's CDP.

 

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This following photo shows Xie's CDP agressive advertisement in "political asylum business" in Dajiyuan Daily Newspaper in late March 2005. (Click on the photo to enlarge)
 
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★ Do you consider “vote by feet” political activities against China government? ★

“Vote by feet” is widely used by Chinese Media refers to Chinese nationals leaving the country. Though this term appears to have general meaning. But usually this term refers to those who stays in other countries illegally and does not wish to return to China.

In CDJP, we do not consider “vote by feet” political opinion automatically. Some extreme anti Communist writers or groups does. We don’t. 

Our research shows us that many Chinese illegal immigrants, both of those who entered the western countries illegally and thsoe who overstayed their visas, do not wish to go back China not because they don’t like the China Communist Government.

We find that China government has implied policies in some specific regional areas in China to help in organizing its citizens to stay in western countries illegally. The purpose of such policies is to have these illegal immigrants to make money, then to send the money back to China. Both the government and the illegal immigrants are considering such activities as “helping the hometown to develop”. Usually, China embassy officials are also getting involved in organized illegal immigrants communities to encourage them, or to remind them to do so.

Our research also shows that the China government is more likely to keep these illegal immigrants to stay illegally in the western countries because illegal immigrants have the tendency to send all the money they make back to their families in China, while legal immigrants usually send little money or even no money to help their families in China.

We also suspect that China government secret agents in the western countries are doing things to keep the illegal immigrants illegally in order to prevent them from becoming legalized immigrants in large scale. We found several years ago that some immigration service companies, they advertised political asylum application services, intentionally did bad job for the political asylum applicants, advised political asylum applicants not to take actions overseas that could really made China Communist government angry, while the bosses or key personnels in such immigrantion service companies went to China back and forth or doing trade businesses largely relying on China government officials to let them make profits.

Our research indicates that illegal immigrants in the United States averagely send about 4,000,000,000 (Four Billion) U.S. dollars back to China each year. Both the illegal immigrants and the China government consider the activities as “patriotism” activities. So these activities are not to be considered “vote by feet”, or in any sense of anti China Communist government. So we do not recognize these people automatically part of the force in our democracy movement.

Some of those illegal immigrants may be or may become individuals who have political opinions against China Communist government. But, the majority of them are not, or "not yet". Maybe we should "educate" them if that should be part of the agendas.


author:Raymond Xia (Shi Lei)    source:CDJP   last updated:03/25/05    visited:4317
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